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The Noetic Society is a 501(c)(3) non-profit group with members in Southern California and around the world, who have been inspired to study Homer, Parmenides, the pre-Socratics, Plato, the neo-Platonists, and other perennial philosophers and mystics, not for academic reasons, but for personal spiritual growth. The society was founded by Pierre Grimes, PhD in 1967, and was incorporated in 1978.



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Sep 4, 2021 Pierre Grimes, Ph.D.
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A Dialogue with Dr. Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society.
Topics: The Hymn of Demeter, St. Thomas Aquinas, Ps. Dionysius, Covid 19, 9-11:
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Sep 3, 2021 Pierre Grimes, Ph.D.
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We work through a question about the Divided Line. We also talk about how to see the structure, parts and whole and how to derive their significance.
Topics: Republic:Divided Line, The Hymn to Demeter
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue with our question from last night on what characteristic(s) differentiate the Logos, in Proclus' Elements of Theology . Highlights 10:01am PDT anyone look for 'taxi' (order) (between last night and this morning)? 10:03 why is this difficult? 10:09 (JulieH) Is the Logos among the gods? 10:14 Pierre had given us Taxi, Intellect, and Logos to consider, and propositions to go with each 10:17 we will need to work either...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, elements-of-theology, prop148,prop149,prop209, proclus
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our work from last week on getting a unified understanding of the Logos, from Proclus’ Elements of Theology . Is or is not the Logos a god (in Proclean terms)? How can we figure that out, using the text itself? Highlights 6:55pm PDT warm-up (with Charles and Barbara): Ways to learn ancient Greek more organically/naturally 7:08 Continuation with the Logos in Proclus’ Elements of Theology 7:15 Can we say the Logos...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, elements-of-theology, prop008, prop007, prop123, prop121, prop158,...
Synopsis Another Sunday afternoon with Pierre and members of the NS. Pir Highlights 2:58pm PDT Pierre's question, starting out: Any difficulties you are having, working on the Logos/Proclus homework? with Ged on this.. 3:12 with Belinda 3:19 Dream Exploration with JeffL 3:45 Dream Exploration with EldarI you need analogy to participate in the Logos (including of dreams) expressing the Logos is necessary, as well 4:25 Dream Exploration with BelindaB Dream Texts Jeff Lowe -- Dream 2021-07-11...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, elements-of-theology, proclus, NSDRM
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. Pierre challenges us to use analogical thinking to explore the Logos in several (all!) of the Propositions of Proclus' Elements of Theology . Highlights Challenge: Use analogy to explore propositions 122, 123, and 124 to show the perfect intelligibility of the Logos. 10:05 What difference does it make how you understand a proposition? 4-term Analogy -- A : B :: C : D prop122: all that is divine : B :: the Logos : D what is...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, elements-of-theology, prop122, prop113, prop097, proclus
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. Pierre starts out asking several of us -- regarding last week's 3 meetings ( Fri , Sat , Sun ) on the Logos in Proclus' Elements of Theology : What's it like exploring and trying to come to an understanding of the Logos? Highlights What's it like exploring and trying to come to an understanding of the Logos? 7:27 with Barbara, on Proposition 123 What is the relationship between a particular activity and its parent (where it comes...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, theology-of-plato, elements-of-theology, book03, chap01, prop123,...
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Another Sunday evening with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our search for what Proclus Elements of Theology can tell us about the Logos. Highlights warm-ups Elements likes and dislikes with Josh and Barbara Jeff announces end of his being archivist and transition (with Pierre and board) that they will be working on the infrastructure to keep the Archive going 7:08 What else...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, elements-of-theology, parmenides, proclus
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue with our assignment from last week, looking for Logos in any of the propositions of Proclus' Elements of Theology . Pierre takes it further and has us also look at Providence and connect them. Regina and Barbara kick it off by offering propositions 18 and 19. Highlights 7:07pm PDT can you show the key ideas in proposition 19 by exploring the idea of Providence? 7:08 as you look at the structure of Proclus' dialectic on...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, commentary-on-parmenides, elements-of-theology, book05,...
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Jun 13, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another interesting Sunday with Pierre and members of the Noetic Society. Pierre asks us what to call the “traditional” (modern, co-operative) approach to learning, and when it started, and what is its cause. Highlights 2:57pm PDT Why is it we do not center our thinking on commentaries? 3:02 Why don't we urge people to read Proclus' commentary on Euclid's Geometry , before or during their studying of Euclid's Geometry? 3:25 we read the questions below from Pierre's email 3:31 Is...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1
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Jun 12, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another interesting Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. Jeremy explores a dream with Pierre. Highlights 9:53am PDT warm-up with Belinda on holding your position and not being "cooperative" 9:56am PDT what does it mean to be empty? in Plato's Theaetetus ? 10:06 what is going on in Plato's Apology ? Because he is being charged with bringing in other gods than the state believes in "What I do not know, I do not think I do" -- is really making a claim...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
Synopsis Another interesting Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. First, Kate explores a dream with Pierre. Then we look at a paper Bradley wrote, answering Pierre's assignment to compare dream analysis with philosophical midwifery. This leads to a discussion on Beauty, Justice, building of ideas, and how Socrates was acting in the Republic , the Parmenides , and all the dialogues. Highlights 7:02pm PDT Dream Exploration with Kate 7:30 Bradley's paper comparing dream analysis with...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM, republic, book01, parmenides
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Synopsis We continue with yesterday's discussion: Why doesn't Plato have anyone in the myth of Er choosing to be a philosopher in the next life? Are there other similar questions in other dialogues? Is Plato intentionally leaving something out from all his dialogues, on purpose? Why? Highlights Recap from yesterday: In Plato's Republic , in Book 10, in the Myth of Er, no one chooses the life of the philosopher. therefore (pg concluded), Plato goofed. That is, there is no need for justice. 3:34...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, 7th-letter
Synopsis Another Saturday morning coffee and chat with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue with Providence, putting us back into Plato's Republic , and the Myth of Er, and .. who would choose a philosophic life? Highlights 09:55 AM PDT warm-up with Belinda on doubt, politeness, and having different ideas from others 10:11 with Regina, on reading Proclus' example of using the dialectic on Providence, re. her previously being caught-up on personal language use of “dependence” 10:29 can...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book10, NSDRM
Synopsis Another interesting Sunday with Pierre and members of the NS. We begin looking at Philosophical Midwifery as a Dialectic. Highlights warm-up with JulieH: Was Freud influenced by Plato? we'll read Damascius together when Juan gets it translated through chapter 38, and gives to Jeff in PDF format to post on archive for all to read. 3:00pm PDT Returning to our question from yesterday: Can (Pierre's) Philosophical Midwifery be seen as having a dialectic? we read the 12 stages Pierre lays...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, commentary-on-parmenides, philosophical-midwifery, book05, chap04,...
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Synopsis Another interesting morning with Pierre and members of the NS. We spend a little more time on last night's study of Proclus and the demonstrations of dialectic on Providence (and others), then get into the question of "faith" and how this was used (by Paul) to change Christianity into something very different from what Jesus was teaching. We explore dreams from Belinda and Bradley. Highlights 10:01:35 What would the dialect be in Pierre's midwifery (via his book)? Does...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, gospel-of-mark, NSDRM
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Synopsis Another great Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. And Jeremy (who now lives out of state) brings in some friends. Pierre asks us to consider the Proclean dialectic, and compare to the Parmenidean one, and ask ourselves what Plato and Proclus both are doing. Highlights 7:04pm PDT The Dialectic: What have you discovered about it? 7:10 DavidC: What is the difference between dialogue and dialectic, and if not, how does the prior become the latter? 7:10 Any difficulties as you...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, commentary-on-parmenides, book05, proclus
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May 23, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis A “Brilliant” Sunday morning with Pierre. He lays out the path to an experience of Real Being (and later Brilliant Light of Being) by studying Plato's Republic , and then asks us to again look at the dialectic, and consider the many kinds. Highlights 2:57 warm up with JulieH on Homer and Achilles private understanding. Lacks generality, and ability for verification from others. 2:58 How is Achilles functioning (at the end) in the games and with Priam, that he did not, and likely,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, republic, enneads, parmenides, book06, ennead03
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May 15, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. Apropos of last night , Pierre has us look around for hints on what Plato might mean by “Being” in his dialogue The Republic , by finding quotes on it in Book 6. Highlights 9:57am PDT How to help someone get into Plato? 10:00 how can we tell when we're interpreting, and when we're not? 10:03 Why is “Being” important in Plato's Republic ? What do you have to (do to) gain it? 10:17 why is he talking about “-ness” (at...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book06
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May 14, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another curious Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. With Plato's Republic in mind, Pierre exhorts us to look into figuring out what Plato calls the “dialectic” (which Plato refers to, but does not delineate), and to ask ourselves what is “Being”, as Plato uses that term, and how one gets there, and what one would do (with it) having done so. Highlights 7:01 Did Plato develop a dialectic? 7:07 If you have this dialectic, what are you supposed to do with it? 7:24...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book06
Synopsis Another Sunday afternoon with Pierre and members of the NS. Pierre helps a few members through some questions they've been having on their recent reading. Highlights One, Being (verb), Ousia (noun): difference? 3:12 And what kinds of things can be said to have “being”? What is “Being”? 3:19 anything that Beauty and Truth share? 3:21 Must anything you are going to call, “being”, be an idea (a beholding, not a concept) something that may be beheld 3:24 Can ideas (eidos,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, elements, euclid
Synopsis Another Saturday morning chat with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue reading in Plotinus’ Sixth Ennead, Tractate 2, Chapter 21 (and a little bit of the end of Chapter 20). Highlights 09:58am PDT warm-up: PMW with Regina on insights she is having while reading Plato and Plotinus, and the family pathologos, “Don't think you know so/too much” 10:20 Stanley: Plotinus and meditation 10:22 Kate: reading and being smart in her family 10:25 Barbara on Loeb (grammatical structure)...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, enneads, ennead06, plotinus, NSPMW
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We take a look at Plato's Parmenides , 3rd hypothesis. Highlights Reading. Rest, Motion, Self, Logos 7:55pm Praise the Logos? Instant/Gap? 7:56pm According to this argument, Time is an illusion 7:58pm We infer motion. But each frame is separate and distinct, has its own mode of being, as determined by the Logos 8:03pm a snapshot 8:04pm now go back and look at Plotinus 6.2.21 8:19pm what is Plotinus doing? Can we relate it to what...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, enneads, hyp3, ennead06, plotinus
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May 2, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Another fun Sunday afternoon with Pierre and members of the NS. Highlights 8:08pm PST (Beginning) Warm-up questions from DonB and Barbara 3:21:30 Eldar's dream 4:10:12 post-discussion Homework For next Friday , read the 3rd hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides (1), which we will be discussing. What is going on? Dream Texts Eldar's Dream I was driving a van and looking for a place to do a...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, NSDRM
Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our discussion from last night regarding the wording of Pierre's exhortation to practice (internal) phronesis. Barbara also brings in three great quotes on phronesis from Plato's Republic , and at end Pierre dialogues with Sayon over Sayon's OBE's and recommends Sayon read Plotinus who has the same question: What Am I Doing Back in This Body? Highlights Phronesis vs perfectionism, continued, with Barbara and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, enneads, book06, book07, ennead04, tractate08, chap06,...
Synopsis Another interesting Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. Does Plato make us do the work of pulling together what Being is? Highlights 6:57pm PST David Hume and Plato: Does either write their true philosophy? So what are the key points that Plato is not going to explain? 7:00 Can you go into Plato or Proclus and find a statement about the importance of the nature of “Being”? How are you going to come to know Being? What does it take? Does Plato help you in any way? 7:02...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book06, book07
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Apr 25, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis A good Sunday afternoon with Pierre and members of the NS. We look at Plato (in his Republic ) means by “dialectic” by reading through and comparing several sections. Pierre challenges us to consider: Are there two dialectics described? If so, how do they differ? Highlights Symposium first pages: Any way to get people into philosophy? What is “Understanding”? A “Problem” is not a “difficulty” 3:29 Has the doorway into analogy helped getting people into platonic thought?...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, republic, book06, book07
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. We work more on the Sun analogy in Plato's Republic , using as usual the Balboa translation. Highlights 10:11 Anonymous friend's question: Why not compare the Sun analogy with the Divided Line analogy? no thinking. Just looking. Do it. 10:24 start reading 507c: Is he beginning to compare with Divided Line here? 10:35 Finding the (multi-term) analogy: Sun, Light, Eyes (solar-form), visible objects, etc. 10:36 Now we've done...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book06, NSDRM
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Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our study of the analogy of the Sun, this time from the point of view of Pierre's question on whether we are in a “closed” system (no help from above). Highlights 6:53pm PST warm-ups with Jed: studying Sun analogy and the question of help from above with Kate: Any such thing as good families? 6:58 What do you guys think of being in a “closed” system? (Beings on the lower are trying to work their way up to the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book06
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Another Sunday (ostensibly Parmenides study) afternoon with Pierre and members of the NS. As usual since we started Zoom'ing, we do not do Parmenides, but instead just continue with our Friday and Saturday talks. We explore a couple of dreams and then back into the question of Justice and Beauty's relations to The Good, and its relation to us humans. Highlights Dream exploration,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, republic, book06, NSDRM
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Synopsis A fun morning with Pierre and members of the NS. We pick up the previous question of why there are 2 analogies in Book 6 of Plato's Republic , and how they function. Highlights Warm-up: Any questions? 10:11 Pierre reminds us of our question from a few sessions back which had remained un-answered: The 2 analogies in book 6 of Plato's Republic : The Sun analogy and the divided line analogy. Why? 10:35 Reading from p.273, 506a, 505e forwardback at 10:57 (after 5-10) 10:57 switched from...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book06
Synopsis Another Friday night NS meeting with Pierre. We look at a couple of dreams, and with the remaining time, Pierre opens it up to some questions. Highlights 19:11 Dream Exploration: Belinda 19:49 Dream Exploration: DavidC 20:12 discussion 20:18 open questions Bradley on the One changing in the 3rd Hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides 20:27 Regina: any difference between a paradigm and a model? 20:43 Ouspensky: A New Model of the Universe Lobachevsky: Just one change: Parallel lines do meet....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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Apr 2, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another curious and fun Friday night NS meeting with Pierre on Zoom. Highlights Warm-up discussion as folks wander in (mostly with Belinda) Do you follow the practice of Phronesis? (Ancient Greek: φρόνησῐς, romanized: phrónēsis) Plato: Intelligence is not enough: People should also have phronesis. Also Homer: When you think that anything that you can do could make it better, or more excellent: Those two have to go together. Because "excellent" doesn't necessarily...
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Synopsis Another fun Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. Highlights Warm-up chat: previously-announced seminar that didn't happen DavidC: the Vatican, and studying Latin in Rome Dream Exploration: Barbara Dream Exploration: Bradley 8:40 More time with Plotinus 6.2.21 Identify the activity of “seeing” repeatedly in this article Line up with each one of them, what is being done The Intellect (nous) is a Whole, full of intelligences/ideas/beholdings (not concepts), each of which is...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, enneads, ennead06
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Another good Sunday afternoon with Pierre and members of the NS. Highlights Exploration of JulieH's recent dream Exploration of Eldar's recent dream Exercising the Intellect (Nous) Through the Logos 4:45pm Dialogue with Bradley about being offered a chance to be a buddhist abbot Dream Texts JulieH's Dream -- Fri 19 Mar 2021 A I was at this gym. And it was part of or at the place where...
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Mar 19, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our reading of this section of the Timaeus and the question of what Plato wants us to contemplate. Highlights 7:15pm What issue is it that Plato is urging us to contemplate? Does Plato describe an object of contemplation which he wants us to direct our attention to? to reflect on Self Contemplating the Intelligible and its Source How do you put this contemplation into motion? Reading 51e-52a Why did he have to...
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Mar 13, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis We start out continuing our discussion of last night's talk regarding Plotinus’ Enneads 6.2.21, and his question of the Logos. Pierre decides early on to take us at this point into the Timaeus, so that we can return to Plotinus Highlights A good way of approaching __ is to identify what the author considers a problem. Or, if we can find it, find, what creates the problem. Then we can decide whether he deals with it effectively or not. Timaeus: anyone have a good quote that can show...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, timaeus
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Mar 12, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our discussion of Plotinus 6.2.21, which gets us into Timaeus and Nous. Highlights Plotinus 6.2.21, Continued 7:04:30pm PST Chris asks: What are the four genera? A Study in what Plotinus calls, “Seeing” An Exploration of “Nous-ing and Logos-ing” Does Plotinus have a certain development? Compare Plotinus’ first and last descriptions of “seeing” Discussion of “seeing” in the greek with Barbara and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, timaeus, enneads, plotinus
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Mar 7, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Another fun afternoon with Pierre and members of the NS. We explore Kate's and Belinda's recent dreams. Highlights 15:00pm PST Kate's Dream exploration 14:23pm PST Belinda's dream exploration Dream Texts Kate's Dream Mom..........I was usually mad at her but this time I wasn't and she was happy. Just feeling more comfortable about her. We had a ....don't remember. I was laying down,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, NSDRM
Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre. A dream exploration with Belinda, and a continuation of yesterday's discussion on the 4 term analogy of the movie screen and our experience. Highlights Discussion with Jed Belinda: dream exploration is a “screen” implied in any experience we perceive? why Plato and the Republic ? What is the difference between this kind of teaching (Plato) and the way it is expressed in Buddhist literature? (No Logos, no Self in Buddhist teaching) Pierre lays...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book06, book07, NSDRM
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Feb 26, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fascinating Friday night with Pierre and members of the Noetic Society. Pierre starts us out with a 4 term analogy and a movie screen as an analogue for the Self, then Pierre midwifes JulieH on a recent dream, and KateS on past scenes compared to a state of mind she went through recently. Highlights A study of mirrors What makes movies possible? What does the mirror do when you aren't looking at it? What conditions must the mirror meet in order to do its job? How about a Movie?...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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Feb 21, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another afternoon with Pierre and members of the Noetic Society. Belinda, Jed, and Kate explore their recent dreams with Pierre midwifing. Highlights Dream Explorations with Belinda, Jed, and Kate a little post-discussion with Barbara on Book 6 of Plato's Republic , and JeffL on the differences between what Pierre has called inter-personal , intra-personal , and supra-personal problems. Dream Texts Belinda's Dream I was in an academy training with the teachers there, I was doing very...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, NSDRM
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Feb 20, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre. More on Philosophical Midwifery, and also Julie explores a dream with Pierre. Highlights Some PMW with Regina Philosophical Midwifery, continued (from last night ). Pierre asks why he presents PMW to conferences and no one ever came up to him to ask him about more later, such as to get his book, etc Some PMW with JulieH More on Philosophical Midwifery Pierre's question 10:25 or so and DavidC's answer Pierre's Philosophical Midwifery is not...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Feb 19, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and the NS. First a discussion of midwifery, ending up in a discussion of understanding, knowing, and a little more on the Divided Line. A dream exploration with Sayon. Highlights Discussion When can a person say they have a problem? Different (higher) definition of “problem”. When a person comes to you, it should only be because they are having difficulties There should be sufficient evidence the person is having the difficulties they describe You...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM, pmw
Synopsis Another highly interesting Sunday afternoon with Pierre and members of the NS. We explore David's dream and look more into Book 6 of Plato's Republic . Pierre gives us homework. Highlights Warmup Josh and Pierre on the Golden Section/Ratio and the Divided Line With Kate: post-discussion of her dream yesterday . Continued exploration Book 6 of Plato's Republic . W.H.D. Rouse's (translator, (1)) diagram of the Divided Line analogy near the end of Book 6. The four cognitive functions....
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre and the NS'ers. Some dreams explored and more discussion of Book 6 of Plato's Republic . Highlights Dream exploration with Belinda and post-discussion A bit more discussion on Book 6 of Plato's Republic (continued from yesterday ) (10:43am PST) dream exploration with CharlesS (11:04am PST) dream exploration with KateS Dream Texts Belinda's Dream I was interacting with glowing orbs. When I got close to them I could see the Logos inside of them....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book06, NSDRM
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Feb 7, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis The second week of the Theaetetus study group. (The first week was not archived.) Highlights Studying reading starting at 145D, at 10:45am PST (but I started taping about 15 minutes late, so they probably started a little earlier in the text). Using the Balboa translation of the Theaetetus (1). Discussion of whether non-participant listeners will be allowed in this group (It is decided that they will be.) (We are reading at 145e when Pierre joins in at 11:09:15am PST / 0:19:41 on tape)...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSGRP, pg1, theaetetus
Synopsis Another interesting Sunday afternoon videoconferencing with Pierre and members of the NS. A dream exploration from Josh, a review from Aram of Pierre's and the group's approach to Jed's previous dream exploration, and a few other topics. Highlights [Note: I forgot to put up my normal digital clock on screen today. But from Pierre's comments at about 12:51 on tape, and from the timestamps on the “chatty-chat”, it appears that somewhere between 15 and 16 minutes on tape ≅ 3:00pm...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theaetetus, NSDRM
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Feb 6, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis A fun but intense Saturday afternoon considering Jed's dream and Pathologos issue and how to approach it. The group paid much closer attention this time, and got a good grasp of how it manifests. Also, I am going to start recording post-discussions after Pierre leaves, from now on, as folks have said they don't mind (as long as the recording banner is up). Highlights Dream Exploration: Jed and post-discussion of how to proceed After-party: Various topics. Dream Texts Jed's Dream -- Fri...
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Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and the NS. Dreamwork with Regina, and discussion of philosophical counseling. Highlights warm-up the Olsen article(1) Regina's News Philosophical Counseling, various issues Tonight's Homework has been moved to next Friday (since only 2 did it for today): See Homework section, below. Dream exploration with Regina Discussion with Aram about presentation this coming Sunday about what he found problematic with last Friday's dream exploration with Jed ....
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Synopsis Another interesting Wednesday afternoon with Pierre and members of the Noetic Society. Some dreams, a discussion with Jed, Divided Line question for this Friday , and discussion of the Golden Section and the Indefinite Dyad. Highlights Dream Exploration: Belinda What's the relationship between appearance and reality, or the intelligible and the worldly / everyday world? Dream Exploration: JeffL 15:54pm The Golden Section and the Indefinite Dyad in Platonic Thought (1) Teaching vs...
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Jan 31, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Another Sunday afternoon with Pierre and members of the NS. Dream explorations and discussion of Pierre's approach. Highlights Dream Explorations with Michelle, Belinda, JeffL (to 4:29pm PST) Discussion with Pierre about his approach with Michelle and Jed (from 4:44pm PST onward) Dream Texts Michelle's Dream -- Sun 31 Jan 2021 -- “Teacher Dream” I am a teacher but not of a...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, NSDRM
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Jan 30, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another meaningful Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS discussing and unpacking messages from the "Dream Master" in a rational way. Highlights Discussion of Jed's comments last night on his own dream and what to do with them Dream exploration: Regina Metaphor and approximation in our language: IS the sky blue? IS the pen yellow? Dream exploration: KevinG Dream Texts Regina's Dream Why would you want to talk to a woman. Because they have risen to a place have...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Jan 29, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another interesting Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We explore recent dreams from JeffL, ChrisC, and Ged. Highlights Dream explorations: JeffL, ChrisC, and Ged Dream Texts JeffL's Dream -- Fri 29 Jan 2021 1 I'm at my buddy Johnny’s house and I think we’re in Reno although it’s not clear.(I think so) It’s Johnny, Devon, Justin and myself. All guys I knew from high school and just after times. I’m sitting there in a chair or on the ground I think I’m on the...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Another fun Wednesday afternoon with Pierre and members of the NS. Pierre brings up the 5 Platonic solids and invites us to find their relation to other things, as Kepler did with the orbits. Dream explorations with Darlene, Kate, and JeffL. Highlights 02:52:07pm : The 5 Platonic Solids described by Euclid The orbits of our planets fit the same model (Kepler) And the five...
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Synopsis Another great Sunday afternoon with Pierre and members of the Noetic Society. An interesting discussion of phronesis and two dream explorations. Highlights 03:04:54pm : Warm-up (with Barbara) Logos ⇨ Phronesis ⇨ The Good ⇨ Two Ideas ⇨ The Self Is the activity of your dream-life following Providence? Saving, sophrosune Bringing the wholes directly to completion Providence (pronoia, πρόνοια): leading on a straight path to wholeness and completion Whole ⇨ Parts ⇨...
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Synopsis A Saturday morning meeting with Pierre and the NS gang on Zoom. An initial brief discussion between Regina and Pierre (carried over from before 10am) on why to read Plato's Republic (1), and then two dream explorations. Highlights Why read Plato's Republic ? 10:05/6 Discussion with Regina Dream Explorations with JeffL and Ged Dream Texts JeffL's Dream - Thu 21 Jan 2021 1 Mel from Dog school wakes everybody upstairs 7:00am. She tells everybody to get up. Philosophers X,Y,&Z are...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, book01, NSDRM
Synopsis Another fun Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. A bit of Phaedo discussion and then a dream exploration with Josh. Highlights Josh's and Jed's Phaedo question at 75A (using the Balboa Translation ). the only way to come through self-realization is through perception. Would you agree all perceptions are identical? (Cebes: Yes) then if this whole world through our sense-perception is set up for us to have self-realization, then what is this in front of us that we are...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, phaedo, NSDRM
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Another fun Sunday afternoon. We start out with a warm-up conversation with Nastasja, and then do 3 dream explorations of recent dreams, with Pierre midwifing, as usual. Highlights Conversation with Nastasja and Pierre on new paradigms, medical and philosophical Dream Explorations with JulieH, JeffL, and BradleyB Dream Texts JulieH's Dream -- Fri 15 Jan 2021 1 I had these dreams where...
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning on Zoom with Pierre and members of the NS. Highlights Phaedo and the world of Ideas: Idea-Selves (75A-E) (1) Dream exploration with Regina Dream Texts Regina's Dream Cognitions that are ugly are dangerouse/wrong Resources Plato's Phaedo . Juan and Maria Balboa, translators . See also our NS Reading List . Original Location https://archive.org/details/20210116NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, phaedo, NSDRM
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Jan 15, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We explore a couple of dreams. Highlights Dream Explorations: Aram and JeffL Pierre spends a little extra time during these explorations to outline where he is using each of the DDDAS (Definition, Demonstration, Division, Analysis, and Synthesis) from Proclus -- the basis of a dialectic with dream work. Some of our earlier discussions on DDDAS are here Dream Texts Aram's Dream -- Thu 14 Jan 2021 Part 1 i am in a cafe. my usual...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, commentary-on-platos-parmenides, NSDRM, proclus
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Synopsis On this Sunday afternoon, we explore two dreams and consider how to match up the Chinese ox-herding pictures(1) with the characters in Plato's Republic (1). Highlights 3:02:20PM - Dream Exploration with Stanley 4:07:22PM - DonB on Plato's Republic characters and the Ox-herding pictures(1) 4:18:05PM - Dream Exploration with JoshB Dream Texts Stanley's dream 1 - I am in a forest in Russia, on a small farm near a peasant's wood cabin.2 - I head over to a small lake, having just begun my...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, republic, NSDRM
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre. Some discussion of how much we can say here politically as a 501(c)(3) registoered organization; dream and daydream reflections; and talk about what a real science would look like. Highlights With JulieH: Discussion of 501(c)(3) organizations and their (and thus our) ability to discuss politicians and political issues (without lobbying, etc.) (Pierre arrives) Daydream exploration with Eldar Don's reflection on the providence of black holes...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Jan 8, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Brief discussion of the U.S. Capitol building mess, and three dream explorations. Highlights Warm up discussion with Josh's question to his students in his class, whether any other teachers discussed the event, and PG asks: What can we do with this, politically, historically? Is there always this fringe group that plays itself out in history, irreversibly? Dream Explorations with Jed, JulieH, and Sayon Quote Fascist mentality is the mentality of the "little man," who is...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Another Sunday afternoon with Pierre and the gang. Two dreams and some past scenes are offered up for exploration and philosophical midwifery with Pierre. Highlights (Pierre arrives late.) Then a bit of continued discussion on last time’s question of “whether/how to determine the author’s intention” Dream exploration with Jed Early scenes exploration with David Dream...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, NSDRM, NSPMW
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Jan 2, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. Highlights Is it necessary to know the author’s intention before-hand? If so, how are we going to get it? PMW with Jed Original Location https://archive.org/details/20210102NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSPMW
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2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the Noetic Society. Pierre midwifes Josh and Belinda on their recent dreams. Highlights Philosophical Midwifery: Not a creation. A natural way of reasoning Dream exploration with Josh Dream exploration with Belinda Do we all want to see? And we are hurt when we are blocked from seeing? Dream Texts Josh’s Dream 1 – Sat 19 Dec 2020 I am looking for surfboards, I am searching for surfboards all throughout the night. I am excited and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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Dec 27, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre asks us to consider the pathologos in religion and in the pursuit of pleasure. Highlights warm-up talk before the hour starts hello from Juan Balboa, and announcement of translation of 2nd book of Nichomachus What’s the most difficult thing in the world? What’s the sharpest thing in the world? What’s the most formidable block in the universe? The pathologos.(1) Is there any thing more destructive, blind, or resisting? Trump: How is it that no one can get through to him?...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1
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Dec 26, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis On this Saturday morning, Pierre starts out by asking us what would happen if we all decided to act justly. What would be the consequences? Highlights One consequence: We would have to stop blaming others for our own misery People believe they are in an unjust world, thus allowing them to blame others for their misery Having good reasons for (apparently) just actions What would happen socially, politically, industrially, if we put the standard of justice up front? Our own imprisonment...
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Synopsis On this Friday night with Pierre, we explore 2 of the Hymns of Orpheus, and touch on Plato’s Republic and Phaedrus . At the end, Pierre midwifes KateS. Highlights We read Orphic Hymn 69 - To the Furies(1) Pierre: To understand the Orphic hymns, one needs to know Proclus, as he covered the hymns PG asks what would happen if we read this at the holidays instead Belinda offers that there is a section of the hymns that her father had done so at Christmas each year, and one time she...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, hymns-of-orpheus, hymn69, hymn86, orpheus
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Dec 23, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre midwifes Belinda, JeffL, and Jed today on their recent dreams. Dream Texts Belinda’s Dream I parked my car and went to like a festival. When I came back to me car I could see several cars were burnt up. I was hoping mine was not one of them. As I got closer to my car I was saying over and over again please don’t let one of these cars be mine. Then I saw it was. JeffL’s Dream – Sun 20 Dec 2020 There’s an athletic coach who is being watched he is like under investigation...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, NSDRM
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Dec 19, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis In today’s meeting, Pierre midwifes Barbara on a dream she had this morning, and JeffL on a daydream he had while ‘sitting’ (i.e., meditating). Dream Texts Barbara’s Dream – Sat 19 Dec 2020 In the dream there was a doctor, a woman functioning in a clinic. In one scene she’s talking about whether or not she’s doing a good job. But she says she’s not sure that the hospital which she names is making any profit off of her work. That she comes to it without any training, and...
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Synopsis Dream Explorations and Philosophical Midwifery on this Friday night with Pierre and members of the Noetic Society. Highlights warm-up exploration of a sitting thought with JeffL PMW with KateS on her writing project dream exploration with Bradley dream exploration with Jed Dream Texts JeffL’s Sitting Fantasy 12/17/20 sitting. calm,clear,quiet,silence. then - “So what that ( the silent state) doesn’t do anything.” annoyed,irritated Bradley’s Dream I was in this kinda NS party,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM, NSPMW
Synopsis Another great, but challenging Sunday with Pierre. We get into mapping/matching a) the first 12 steps (of the 24) of Proclus’ demonstration of the dialectic on Providence , from his Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides onto b) the 12 mundane gods listed (in 4 triads) in Proclus’ Theology of Plato , Book 6, Chapter 22. Mostly we use the Balboa translations of these, but a bit of the Morrow and Dillon ( Commentary.. ). See Resources, below. Highlights [Note: My notes, as usual are...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, commentary-on-parmenides, theology-of-plato, book05, book06, chap22,...
Synopsis Saturday morning with Pierre. Continuation of last night’s discussion, looking for a standard by which to compare Plato’s thought to the Ox-herding pictures(1). Highlights What’s the standard we can use to rate Plato’s (or anyone’s) statement, so we can relate it to the ox-herding pictures? Back to reading Plato’s statements in his 7th letter(2), sections 341b -342d. Plato is laying out his own approach What would have happened if he did a dialogue on that? Are there any...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, three-pillars-of-zen, 7th-letter,...